We is doomed.

[BNM]

This week nations from around the world will travel to Bali for the December 3rd launch of negotiations for a successor to the Kyoto Protocol limiting greenhouse gasses.

UN report: Severe climate change may now be 'inevitable'

UN report: Severe climate change may now be 'inevitable'
new report issued 17th November 2007

“What the report establishes is that the amount of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere is already above the threshold that could potentially cause dangerous climate change”, Tim Flannery, one of Australia’s best known scientists and the winner of the 2007 Australian of the Year award, told the ABC’s October 8 Lateline program about the latest IPCC report.
Flannery, who had access to a preview of the report before its public release on November 17, said: “We thought we’d be at that threshold within about a decade, we thought we had that much time. But the new data indicates that in about mid-2005 we crossed that threshold. So as of mid-2005, there was about 455 parts per million of what’s called carbon dioxide equivalent…

However, even these predictions already seem out of step with the rapidity of climate change currently occurring. For example, a report by Australian-based climate change lobby group, the Carbon Equity Project, entitled The Big Melt, notes that the current rate of melting and disintegration of Arctic Sea ice could mean open blue seas in the northern summer as early as 2013 — a full century ahead of the IPCC’s projections.
The Big Melt concludes that the rapid melting of Arctic Sea ice shows that the currently politically acceptable goal of aiming for a maximum of 2oC increase in global temperatures above the pre-Industrial Revolution level is no longer tenable. Instead, the current effects of an almost 1oC rise could already be triggering runaway climate change.

This is not to say that climate change induced suffering and exacerbated inequality will only affect those in poor countries. The horrendous neglect by President George Bush’s administration of New Orleans’ mainly poor black residents in 2005 after Hurricane Katrina was a stark warning that the poor and marginalised within the wealthy countries will most likely be left to fend for themselves when the catastrophic effects of climate change hit.
It seems that the US ruling elite is more interested in planning for a proliferation of climate change-induced wars over increasingly scarce supplies of food, water and oil than actually acting to stop climate change.
In February 2004, Fortune magazine reported that the Pentagon’s latest planning for future wars is centred on “the eruption of desperate, all-out wars over food, water, and energy supplies”.
The article reported that the Pentagon’s planners envisage the US building “a fortress around itself to preserve resources. Borders are strengthened to hold back starving immigrants from Mexico, South America, and the Caribbean islands — waves of boat people pose especially grim problems.”
This the barbaric “vision” that the rulers of the world’s richest country have for dealing with the social consequences of rapid onset of global warming.

Think Not 'Global' Warming - Think 'Oceans' Warming : Indybay

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TV 2 Blog - Best of The Best - Poor to bear brunt of warming

The problem is comlicated and out of hand really, with a lot of ethical issues involved.

What I know for sure is that we are handing over to our children a planet which in 50 years time will not worth leaving.

[girlyglide]

Originally Posted by badnamemike

This week nations from around the world will travel to Bali for the December 3rd launch of negotiations for a successor to the Kyoto Protocol limiting greenhouse gasses.

Anyone else find it farcical that all these people are travelling to Bali (presumeably on parafin parrots) to discuss greenhouse gases? Have they not heard of Video Conferencing; although I'd be the first to admit it's very difficult to get a good tan with one.

[Mike Benis]

We is not in for a good time of it Mike, that's true. But as our good friends at Tesco keep reminding us: every little helps....

[Hedgehog]

I whatched a documentary the other day suggesting the ozone hole at there Antarctica place was becoming smaller...

Though there's methane in the ice somewhere or other that really gonna fcuk us up.

Bollox..lost me train of thought now....

[tubby57]

I've just emailed my MP. As Bali is an offshore country there is no import taxes or vat. All we need now is a Harley dealer there and we're quids in. They can bring the gear back in their diplomatic bags

[the_monster]

If we use as much of the fossil fuels as possible, then our children can't make the mistakes we made with the environment.

I'm doing my bit by using as much petrol as possible and leaving all the lights and heating on in all the rooms I'm not using.

If everyone does their bit, we can be petrol, oil and coal free within decades.

Ride ride ride.

[willy_warmer]

Originally Posted by girlyglide

Anyone else find it farcical that all these people are travelling to Bali (presumeably on parafin parrots) to discuss greenhouse gases? Have they not heard of Video Conferencing; although I'd be the first to admit it's very difficult to get a good tan with one.

I do.This is just another decimal scam

Again, another load of tosh to make us live in fear. The planet is warming up..............again. Our contribution? Mabey it's making a small difference, mabey not. Problem is now, it's such a huge political football and moneymaking machine, it's way out of control. Science is of course, only as good as current knowledge. In the 60's, we all thought we were going to be nuked by Russia. The 70's saw oil running out and in the 80's everyone eventually would be contracting the AIDS virus and we were all doomed that way (i was going to say buggered but thought better of it)
Now, apparantly, we've broken the planet. And it's all the fault of the guy in the street who earns a crust each day and drives to work. Nothing to do with India or China of course or the amount of lights left on in Piccadilly circus . Rant over.........................As you were

[Commander Zero]

At the end of the day "so to speak" it's all down to the gulf stream, if it slows down we in the Northern hemisphere are in for a pretty cool time.
it's like a conveyor belt bringing warm water up from the hot places near the equator, as it comes north it cools and sinks because it's more saline and is pushed back toward the warm area near the equator heats up and brought back and so no. if it slows and stops short then a drop of only a few degrees results in shit happening
There was reports (true or false) of a 5m great white shark being sighted near the isle of Skye a few years back by sea kayakers, if true then this is the start.
Mother Nature will have hit back hard after all the crap she has taken.
The destuction of the rain forest, over fishing, mans greed.....
yeh she's gonna kick some ass.
right i'm off tae light a fire oot the back. but just a wee one.

Oh and I forgot to add this global warming has all happened before, it's just that...well....there's wot we call polotichins and big money to be made out of it these days. only thing not to change is that lots of these human dudes and animals kicked the bucket the last time.