Trike legalities

[grimsqueaker]

Dont worry tis not the shovel that is getting a third wheel, but i have a query where does the law stand on this little theory?

say i had a trike frame of unregistered parentige and then fitted all the gubbins from a bike that had been down the road on its amber lenses would i be able to register as a trike under the donor bikes reg plate?

Anybody have any ideas ?

[Limey_Dave]

In a word,no.
If rebuilding with a second hand or modified chassis it would need a MSVA inspection and when passed would be issued a Q plate.
If you "triked" the original frame you'd be ok.

If your trike frame is a modded Harley frame of similar age there are methods that are used but they are not legal.

Just out of interest,are you running Torrents or similar?

[grbrown]

Read through the piece on Q plates, as there is stuff in there that partly addresses your question, also backs up what Dave wrote.

[Shifty]

How about if you transplant the headstock (or wherever the frame number is)? That would give the trike frame the original bike's frame number, and therefore the reg number, as technically you've used the original frame, albeit much-modified.

Bingo! Original reg number and no MSVA

[grimsqueaker]

Originally Posted by Limey_Dave

In a word,no.
If rebuilding with a second hand or modified chassis it would need a MSVA inspection and when passed would be issued a Q plate.
If you "triked" the original frame you'd be ok.

If your trike frame is a modded Harley frame of similar age there are methods that are used but they are not legal.

Just out of interest,are you running Torrents or similar?

aha so gone are the old days of points scoring system then,

about torrents sorry for seeming thick (i have just had a 300 mile round trip for a bike that was already sold bastards.......) how do you mean running torrents?

[Limey_Dave]

The points system is still there but you still need the original frame or new one with paperwork from Retailer or Manufacturer.
With original frame unmodified you keep number.

With new replacement frame plus at least 2 major original items ie engine and back wheel you get to keep number on the points system.

Even if your trike frame has no frame number and you stamped the solo number on it (not a good idea) then you would still have to change the class and they'd prob inspect it and want receipts for everything.After all that you could still end up with a Q plate.

Torrents is a type of peer to peer system where you exchange films,music etc with others but need to keep computer running online 24/7.
You used to be shown as online at bottom of main page when you were not so thought you might not have logged off and just left it running,but it's not doing it now.

[grimsqueaker]

Originally Posted by Limey_Dave

The points system is still there but you still need the original frame or new one with paperwork from Retailer or Manufacturer.
With original frame unmodified you keep number.

With new replacement frame plus at least 2 major original items ie engine and back wheel you get to keep number on the points system.

Even if your trike frame has no frame number and you stamped the solo number on it (not a good idea) then you would still have to change the class and they'd prob inspect it and want receipts for everything.After all that you could still end up with a Q plate.

Torrents is a type of peer to peer system where you exchange films,music etc with others but need to keep computer running online 24/7.
You used to be shown as online at bottom of main page when you were not so thought you might not have logged off and just left it running,but it's not doing it now.

Aha so if i have a receipt for the frame (is uncle bunts still going )
and then put the original forks(lets pretend ive fitted the back wheel to them) and the engine well its worth a try i spose , the worst that could happen i guess is that i have to sva it anyway,

About the torrents sorry i was being thick, i do have limewire but just recently i have been using trend housecall to detect nasties in my system and that takes ages for a complete scan

[Limey_Dave]

Sorry,maybe I wasn't clear,that's new frame as in brand new makers replacement part.
The points thing is there so if you replace frame after a crash the forks and front wheel will also need replacing so you count up the parts that are left.
It does happen,in the 70's a guy came to us with a Honda 500/4.He'd had it repaired at insurance company's chosen place but said it wasn't right.The repairer had his money and didn't want to know.
I took it out on test and grabed a handfull of front brake and it turned left.
Frame bent.Insurance didn't believe me as I wasn't one of their "aproved experts" so the guy had an independant engineer inspect it and told them repair it or see you and your repairer in court.
They paid up,we replaced the frame,and later he bought a new Gold Wing from us.Result.

[grimsqueaker]

Originally Posted by Limey_Dave

Sorry,maybe I wasn't clear,that's new frame as in brand new makers replacement part.
The points thing is there so if you replace frame after a crash the forks and front wheel will also need replacing so you count up the parts that are left.
It does happen,in the 70's a guy came to us with a Honda 500/4.He'd had it repaired at insurance company's chosen place but said it wasn't right.The repairer had his money and didn't want to know.
I took it out on test and grabed a handfull of front brake and it turned left.
Frame bent.Insurance didn't believe me as I wasn't one of their "aproved experts" so the guy had an independant engineer inspect it and told them repair it or see you and your repairer in court.
They paid up,we replaced the frame,and later he bought a new Gold Wing from us.Result.

Aha fair enough got ya now, (im really not doing to well at putting my intelligence across) so basically build it then sva it and re register on a q plate?

[clan ken]

i have built a few trikes with different engines i used to buy an old reliant robin and use the log book from that and just send off and change engine number on log book ,this was over ten years ago but i don,t think its changed that much ,after mot got them checked at taxation office at brayford wharfe lincoln