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Old 02-03-2007, 02:58 PM
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Belt Lube

Hi, do any of you use it ? what does it do ? is it worth it ? and which brands do you prefer ? Thanx Rob.
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Old 02-03-2007, 03:11 PM
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Hi, do any of you use it ? what does it do ? is it worth it ? and which brands do you prefer ? Thanx Rob.
Mr Sheen furniture polish (with silicon) works perfectly well. It can help to reduce the noise of a squeeking belt.

Note:- we don't sell it and are therefore not advertising it for profit.
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Old 02-03-2007, 04:14 PM
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If your watching your pennies and living on a shoe string like me!

...Use Asda's own 'Smart' furniture polish also with silicon in it. Just spray on the rear sprocket and spin the wheel after bike has got wet or been cleaned. The front cog can rust.
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Old 02-03-2007, 05:33 PM
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Don't use a belt Lube or belt dressing, most toothed drive belt manufactures specifically recommend you don’t use it, Gates included.
Most lubes and dressing products will make the belt sticky and pick up dirt.

So if you do decide to use anything make sure it doesn't leave a sticky film.
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Old 02-03-2007, 08:08 PM
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belt manufactures specifically recommend you don’t use it, Gates included.
Most lubes and dressing products will make the belt sticky and pick up dirt.
That's been my experience. I used Silicone Polish on mine, to get rid of a squeak (it worked for that), and discovered it made it sticky enough to pick up a fine film of gritty stuff. Took faichin' ages to clean it off with soapy water too....
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Don't use a belt Lube or belt dressing, most toothed drive belt manufactures specifically recommend you don’t use it, Gates included.
Most lubes and dressing products will make the belt sticky and pick up dirt.

So if you do decide to use anything make sure it doesn't leave a sticky film.
I'm interested to know where you got the information about not using belt dressing. I've used such for years (including Mr Sheen) when I've encountered noisey belts and haven't thought any more about it. I had a look around the Gates website and couldn't find any reference to using or not using a belt dressing.

It seems a little strange with the likes of Wurth specifically producing a belt dressing.
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Old 02-03-2007, 11:55 PM
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I'm interested to know where you got the information about not using belt dressing. I've used such for years (including Mr Sheen) when I've encountered noisey belts and haven't thought any more about it. I had a look around the Gates website and couldn't find any reference to using or not using a belt dressing.

It seems a little strange with the likes of Wurth specifically producing a belt dressing.
Gates some years back and BSL (Bearing Services Limited) a Gates distributor.
We use belt dressing on V belts very occasionally when we can't be arsed to replace them, stops them squealing and slipping but it does make them sticky.
You would not normally ever use any sort of Dressing on a Poly Chain tooth belt, mainly as they can not slip unlike a V belt, if it squeaks it normally needs a clean or there is another problem.


A Typical Belt Dressing discription.

http://www.web-tronics.com/beldres8ozae.html


Description:
Drive Belt Dressing is formulated to extend belt life by improving traction and reducing belt tension. The unique coating is non-drying, water resistant and chemically stable. The tacky coating resists being washed off and is applicable for indoor or outdoor uses. Drive Belt Dressing does not contain CFCs, 1,1,1-trichloroethane or other ozone depleting solvents and will not deteriorate belts. Applications:
*Flat, Round, or V-Belts, *Conveyor Belts, *Pumps, *Generators, *Engines, *Combines, *Turbines, *Fans Features:
*Increases Belt Life, *Prevents Belt Slippage, *Tacky Coating, *Non-Drying, *Indoor or Outdoor Use, *Non-Ozone Depleting, *360° Invertible Valve

An old Gates Maintenance Manual
http://www.pfeiferindustries.com/Maintenance.pdf
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Old 03-03-2007, 08:51 AM
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Re: Belt Lube

Thanks for the pdf. A riveting good read at bedtime; but like the new manual on the Gates site it neither recommended or warned against using a "dressing" or Mr Sheen.

Either way, spraying a noisey belt with Mr Sheen does it for me. Maybe I'm lucky but I have never experienced problems with a belt due to Mr Sheen being applied to it.
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Old 03-03-2007, 09:30 AM
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I think you will find in that Gates manual in the Toothed belt fault finding section it mentions noisey belts and says to spray with soapy water to see if it stops the noise, if it does then it could be the belt, but most likely it needs cleaning.

The answer is to e-mail Gates and see what they recommend now, which I have done and we will see what they say! {see Below}
I might be surprised but I am sure they will say no!

"Do you recommend or not the use of any form of belt lubricant or dressing for use on a Gates poly chain drive belt as used on a late Harley Davidson motorcycle to eliminate squeaking/ noise."

But, you see the point of not using belt dressing as it will make the belt sticky, it is mentioned as being one of its features in the description!


If you do use anything a dry slide silicon spray would be better than polish, but I still think you should be looking at cleaning the belt first as you might well be just disguising the symptoms not eliminating the cause.

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Old 03-03-2007, 01:18 PM
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Re: Belt Lube

Each to their own I guess...
The whole point of a synchronous drive belt is it doesn't slip, unlike flat or vee drives. Dressings are designed for Vee drives, but should not be required unless in the case of a badly designed or maintained drive, and their main function is to increase the coefficient of friction between belt and pulley.
Gates say
1. Do not use belt dressing. Eliminate
sources of oil, grease or chemical
contamination.

In the case of swollen or perished belts, simply because any belt dressing is likely to be carried in solvents, as in the case of aerosol polishes.
Maybe Mr Sheen is OK, and years of use without problems suggests it is, but no synchronous (toothed) belt drive is designed to require any dressing or lubrication, and the concerns include pick-up of abrasive materials from outside, or degradation of the rubber compounds by the dressing.
Belt lube is a bit like oil threads: everyone has their own experience and recommendations, but there is no scientific fact to back it up, and if the belt life were to be extended or shortened by the treatment, then who could demonstrate that it was as a result of the dressing?
H-D don't recommend it, but if it increased belt life, they wouldn't would they....?
When did you last lube the cam belt on your car?
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