Stage 1 kit for a Dyna

[sam999]

Hi All
In the early nineties I had a FXR-SP and loved every minute, but due to marriage, mortgage, birth of son etc had to swap for a jam jar. However times moved on got a bit of cash and recently bought a 2001 carbed Dyna Superglide with no mods what so ever, mind you it's only got 1400 miles from new and looks it too.

I'd like to have the Harley thump again with the improved performance so off I went to a certain stealer in central London for a quote. " ##~@##*?#*$£ " I said under my breath after the salesman mumbled 1200 quid, his face didn't even flinch nor even the slightest hint of a smirk could be seen - I was in shock, I know Harley servicing/spares are a bit on the pricey side but not that pricey. He added while I was choking on my saliva "that'll give you bout a 17% power increase". Blimey that's value for money - NOT.

The costs were something like £150 for the carb kit £150 airfilter kit, £300 & something for the slip ons, that leaves about £600 for labour, I'd guess about 2 hours work for an experienced technician, with labour rates like that I'm in the wrong business.

When I bought my second hand FXR in the nineties I purchased a brand spanking new Screaming Eagle carb complete with airfilter and cover and all the bits & bobs plus slip ons all fitted free by the supplying dealer (Surrey HD in the industrial eastate before they moved to the swanky premises in Dorking, sadly no longer trading I believe) which if memory serves me correctly cost me less than £400. Am I in a bubble or what or is inflation that high, cars have never been so cheap, I can buy a TV as big as 4 by 4 for less than a meal for two in Gordon Ramsey's, the Dollar's worth less than a Rupee but the Harley is more expensive than ever. Actually I'd wish I bought Harley parts instead of a house all those years ago and by now I'd be sharing company with the likes of Bransen and Sugar, oh the joy of hindsight.

Anyway once I was let out of casualty and did a bit of research via the excellent Harley forums (including this one) I've come up with the following. An SE airfilter is a must for improved HP but this happens in the upper rev range and I'm after more low down grunt not too bothered about HP plus the cost is about £120, I opted for a K&N direct replacement filter (part no. HD-1499) apparently passes 200% more air than stock and I'll bet not far off the efficiency of a SE unit, cost £48 Ebay. Dynajet kit, is it really needed, from what I can make out the carb is pretty well set up by the factory and needs virtually no mods apart from drilling the blanking plate and adjusting the idle air screw apparently the standard jets are fine. The other carb mod worth mentioning is the needle which can either be lifted up about 0.05" using a washer or replace it with one from the XL1200 (part no. 27094-88 cost £8 from HD) I've gone for the replacement needle as its cheap and seems to be highly recommended by our Yankee cousins. And finally the slip ons, I chose a pair of KhromeWerks 2.5 slashcut slip ons apparently sound awesome but not too loud, are well made (cost 160 from Custom Chrome), Khrome Werks have a good reputation in the States, I'm sure many other slip ons will do the job just as well. Total cost £216 and I cant wait to get me hands dirty fitting the bits. And with the money I've saved I've ordered the HD Tacho kit, dont know about you guys I can't ride a big bike without one of these.

Anyway what do you think? Have I got it right or am I getting a bit tight in me old age and should I pay the stealer the full wack to do the job properly - we'll see. Hopefully should have all the parts in for fitting this weekend weather permitting and will let you know how it goes..

[Phil]

Nice, enjoyed the post. Drill out the blanking plug. Lightly bottom the a/f screw & turn out two & a half turns, adjust from there.
The stock pilot jet will leave you a little lean. Swap for a #48, this should work fine. If all you want to do is putt around & enjoy the ride the dynojet kit should not be necessary. We have done it hundreds of times, enjoy.

[grbrown]

Labour, even at a Harley dealer, is not that high! You should have got a better idea of just what they were proposing to give you for so much.

If its a TwinCam it is way overgeared. Consider a Screaming Eagle kit that replaces the 25T engine sprocket for a 21T (includes suitable chain). It will really go with more sensible gearing! Done it to my wife's Dyna.

[BaZa ®]

Originally Posted by sam999

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Anyway what do you think? Have I got it right or am I getting a bit tight in me old age and should I pay the stealer the full wack to do the job properly - we'll see. Hopefully should have all the parts in for fitting this weekend weather permitting and will let you know how it goes..

Hi yer Sam.......



................ I reckon you have it about right and take note from above post from Phil he is service director at Folsom H-D in Sacramento also an ex pat, and a mate of many on this site. Just look at his past posts that have saved many members time and money.

grbrownknows what he is talking about as well and I am sure it is a Twin Cam you have seeing as it is 2001 unless it is a 1340 Evo and it never got registered for 3 years?

But I got the impression you were just going down the **Stage One Road** which I have heard can cost circa £1200 now!!!

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Pop into the newbies section and tell us where abouts you are mate and congrats on getting back into H-D's.

[sam999]

Labour, even at a Harley dealer, is not that high! You should have got a better idea of just what they were proposing to give you for so much.

If its a TwinCam it is way overgeared. Consider a Screaming Eagle kit that replaces the 25T engine sprocket for a 21T (includes suitable chain). It will really go with more sensible gearing! Done it to my wife's Dyna.

You are kidding, £1200 (GBP) for a Dynajet kit, airfilter, slip-ons and a couple of hours work! The gearing mod sounds interesting though, any ideas where I can get more info/costs.

Many thanks for the info guys, still waiting for the parts to arrive so once fitted I'll be able to see if larger jets etc are required. By the way it's a 1450 TC. Looking forward to this weekends artic weather cos somehow I just know the parts will arrive this Friday.

P.S. Got to laugh at the bug running around on the screen took me a few seconds to realise it was an animation, just would not die under my thumb, nice one Baza

[sam999]

Amazingly the zorsts and filter turned up this morning and as me nuts had defrosted a touch I decided to bung em on. Really easy fit took no longer than an hour, most of the hassle was removing the rusted bolts etc.

Wohwah the sound, probably a bit on the loud side for my liking but boy do these Werks knock out some deep thumping notes, set of me first car alarm in years - wonderfull. Played around with the throttle screw did'nt seem to make a lot of difference so I left it at 2 turns but am waiting for delivery of the needle jet so will spend a little more time setting things up when it's fitted. Seems like much improved low down stomp but I'll let you know fully when its finished.

[Roy]

Sam

Looking good - know what you mean about the sound when you fit a proper set of mufflers - happy daze.

Sam, I am not 100% sure of my ground here, however it looks like (unless my eyes need testing) that you still have the stock airfilter back plate on???? With the active air intake??

I looked at a number of options when going for my stage 1 and remember some advice about replacing the stock back plate to maximise air in. The stock backplate restricts air at lower revs. I finally went for an S&S, however remember seeing stock replacement back plates.

Like I say, I may be off beat here ...

Cheers, Roy

[Scotty]

Originally Posted by grbrown

Labour, even at a Harley dealer, is not that high! You should have got a better idea of just what they were proposing to give you for so much.

If its a TwinCam it is way overgeared. Consider a Screaming Eagle kit that replaces the 25T engine sprocket for a 21T (includes suitable chain). It will really go with more sensible gearing! Done it to my wife's Dyna.

????????????Sprocket??Chain??
Not sure what thats all about...Please explain.

I'd stick a 46 slow runnin jet in there mate and a Yost power tube along with a K&N....Good to go
Do it yourself £200 max

[sam999]

Sam, I am not 100% sure of my ground here, however it looks like (unless my eyes need testing) that you still have the stock airfilter back plate on???? With the active air intake??

I looked at a number of options when going for my stage 1 and remember some advice about replacing the stock back plate to maximise air in. The stock backplate restricts air at lower revs. I finally went for an S&S, however remember seeing stock replacement back plates.

Still got the stock cover and backplate but have replaced the filter with a high flow K&N type. I would have thought the air restriction would be at higher revs, if the cover is restrictive could I drill a few largish holes in the lower edge of it to improve things?

[Roy]

Sam

I had a quick look at my stock air filter and compared it to my S&S. Backplate wise, the stock air filter and backplate effectively seals in the air filter and only allows air in the front of the filter. Where the S&S has a clear gap between the back plate and cover.

Not sure about drilling holes, it may help. K&N do a kit that retains your front cover and has the element and a new backplate (one on ebay at Harley Davidson K&N Custom Filter Kit Twin Cam (99-07) on eBay, also Harley Davidson, Motorcycle Parts, Motorcycle Parts Accessories, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 24-Mar-08 17:40:31 GMT) - this is the cheapest I could immediately see) however would also recommend looking at the HDRC suppliers links or drop me a PM if you want advice on US dealers. This would mean the element you have bought could possibly be kept for the next 10k service etc.

Hope this helps mate, little bit more expense though I'm afraid, unless you go the black and decker route. Worth reading what you get with the K&N kit and how its different to stock before you start to modify your stock setup.

(If you do replace the back plate, what your need then is someway to blank of your active intake feed on the back of your stock plate - theres been plenty of posts about eliminators which cost around £15 and fool your lecky system into thinking your active air intake is still hooked up and stops the dash engine light coming on at lower revs.)

Happy Easter ....

Cheers, Roy