Fuel Pack's

Chaps, I need to get myself sorted with one of these things for my 2007 softail. The price seems to be around the £300 mark (euro exchange rates bah!).


The HD dealer tell's me that Harley do a similar gizmo for £169+vat so that seems the way to go.

I'm surprised that I don't read more about people using the HD version......is there a general view that its crap or don't people know about it ?

Any advice would be apprciated.

Cheers guys

[Mike Benis]

There are lots of things called fuel packs. Harley do the Screaming Eagle Race Tuner, which is a great tool (costs more than you indicate, though) but very few dyno operators in the UK have experience with how set them up properly and although they have stock settings for various Harley combinations, these are still very lean to comply with EPA regulations and therefore won;t give you the best bang for your buck in terms of performance or cooler. more comfortable running in hot weather.

The Vance and Hynes Fuel Pack is the worst of the bunch, offering lean stock settings, less potential for fine tuning and V&H won;t tell everyone what all the numbers are for, making them more difficult to dial in.

Kitech do a little unit made in the States by Dobeck, which is quite adjustable, pretty easy to dial in and there are several indies with experience in how to set them up. They're also easy to set up right by he seat of your pants, with a little experimentation. They're also more compact than the Fuel Pack.

The Power Commander is more expensive than the Kitech but offers much more adjustability, offers decent stock setting for most bikes and good back-up. There also many UK tuners who use the equipment made by the same company (Dynojet) for dyno tuning and this can work semi-automatically with the Power Commander, giving you good chances of success for a custom tune. This makes the Power Commander the best choice or those who want a reliable UK solution for the best possible tune.

hth

Mike

[the_monster]

The harley fuel pack / fueller is the only fuel pack system that the digitec diagnosis system recognises which is useful if you take the bike to a dealers for some work. As such it is the only fully compatible fueller on the market. The others mentioned will fit but will require more setting up. If the bike runs one of them, the digitech system spends ages trying to reset the bike to standard to get a working base point in order to carry out the diagnositics.


The harley race tuner is a special interface and software pack that allows to change virtually all the efi settings on your bike to suit any changes you have made to it. you can also remap your efi system to suit a different style of riding from out and out drag racing to touring. It allows to change tech stuff such as how much fuel the injectors push down into the manifolds or even turn cylinders off on decelleration etc.

I recently fitted a big radius exhaust and an open air filter to my 2006 injected wideglide. It poped and parted on every overun and seemed to run hotter. The local Harley shop recommended the power commander at around £500 fittede. When they realised that they had no chance of getting £500 pounds out of me the suggested the Kitech power pro. Total cost £168 inv vat. Yook abot 40 mins to fit and the unit itself is about the size of a credit card and just slips under the battery retaining strap as its only a few mm thick. The connections just piggyback onto the fuel injectors and the settings supplied with the unit worked first time although if you must you can fiddle with the settings.
It now runs cooler and no popping on the overun. It also seems to have a bit more grunt, but that could be my imagination.
Don't be conned into buying a more expensive system try the Kitech it really works

Thanks guys most helpfull.

There seems to be a lot of options out there but the general theme seems to be avoid the V+H fuel pack.

Weird cos most people I've spoken too (as opposed to chat rooms) seem to have one...I guess the local dealers have been pushing these more than the others, who knows.

Anyway, think I'l look more into the suggestions you've given.

thanks for tsaking the time to give me advice.

cheers n keep smiling - spring is comming. Hmm warm rain!

GG

[the_monster]

Originally Posted by jaguartvr

It now runs cooler and no popping on the overun. It also seems to have a bit more grunt, but that could be my imagination.

effectively all the fuel pack, regardless of brand, is doing is making the engine run slightly richer. This will give a mildly improved throttle response at the cost of less fuel efficiency.

with regard to the use of fuel packs, it is worth taking into account any warranty implications there might be.

[Mike Benis]

Most dealers who fit these fuelers will honour the warranty and indeed there would be legal implications if they were not to.

In addition, almost all the fuelers are transparent to the Digital technician dealers use, including the latest versions of the wide band sensor ones that replace the OEM ECU and create a map on the fly.

This includes the Kitech fueler, which piggy backs on to the injector units, is downstream of the ECU and uses so-called stealth technology.

Cheers

Mike

[the_monster]

Originally Posted by Mike Benis

Most dealers who fit these fuelers will honour the warranty and indeed there would be legal implications if they were not to.

the problems occur when they didn't fit it or someone has fitted one they didn't recommend, as the warranty becomes a shared liability with the manufacturer of the fuel pack and person or persons who fitted it.

for example if the dealer supplies and fits the fuel pack the warranty claim lies with them should it go wrong. If you and a mate fitted it and something happens with regard to the fuel system, then you would have to prove that you fitted it correctly, at which point the warranty will lie with ether the dealer or the manufacturer of the pack. If you cannot prove that you fitted it correctly then you might have to meet the cost of the repairs yourself unless you can prove that there was something with either the pack or the bike itself.

Hey there Monster, you seem to be recommending the HD one.

Do you know if this is this suitable for a Stage 1 rigout?

cheers, GG

[Tim_H]

Hi all,
I'm all ears too, as I've just taken delivery of some very beautiful chrome, V&H Short shots, I need some sort of (Tom) Fuelery gizmo, before I can fit them to my Street Bob.

As I am tight, I need the most inexpensive option too.
Obviously touring ebay, the V&H fuel pak is available for around £170 from USA, and £300 here.

HELP?