63 Pan

[Red]

People
A mate of mine has recently got hold of this Pan I've got some questions you might be able to help me with.
First the front end is it right apart from the badge on the mudguard?
next what's supposed to be where the plate is at the front of the engine on the right hand side?
He's gonna do some work on it not rivet counter stuff but any info you can give would be appreciated
cheers
Red

[the_french_owl]

Eh!!! Foot clutch and hand shift! Interesting!!!

Bracket next to timer is supposed to anchor the outer of the cable for manual advance/retard, left hand handlebar throttle. Could also hold the dynamo regulator?

If it's really a 63 engine, it's in the wrong frame as this one is at the very least 1965, with electric start. Or it could be the reverse, a genuine 1 year only 1965 Pan Head Electra Glide with the motor changed.

Check engine number... And belly numbers underneath crankcases...

Oil pump looks a bit too square to be H-D, but then I'm not as clued up on FLs as I'm on Sporties...

Patrick

[kiwidave]

it's got the full electric start primaries......somethng definitely amiss with the ''1963'' there.

[zipps]

Exellent.M/C.and I am no expert...but it looks like a bitsa..I would have it any day of the week....

[kevscrivener]

Originally Posted by the_french_owl

Eh!!! Foot clutch and hand shift! Interesting!!!

Bracket next to timer is supposed to anchor the outer of the cable for manual advance/retard, left hand handlebar throttle. Could also hold the dynamo regulator?

If it's really a 63 engine, it's in the wrong frame as this one is at the very least 1965, with electric start. Or it could be the reverse, a genuine 1 year only 1965 Pan Head Electra Glide with the motor changed.

Check engine number... And belly numbers underneath crankcases...

Oil pump looks a bit too square to be H-D, but then I'm not as clued up on FLs as I'm on Sporties...

Patrick

Hand-shift was available as a factory option up to 1972; no probs there.

The "FLH" trim on the front fender is not correct, as you have noted; it's from about 1976 onwards.

According to Bruce Palmer, 65 Electra-Glide has automatic advance/retard so if it's a 65 rolling chassis there shouldn't be a left-hand twistgrip; if this is the case, then I'd go along with Patrick's guess that the motor's been swapped; much easier than doing it the other way round if you think about it.

Again, if this turns out to be a correct guess then your mate has something very worthwhile, even if it has got an earlier engine; a quick trawl through the archives will tell you that 65 Pans (one year only Electra-Glide as you know) are, to put it mildly, somewhat rare. This, I would stress, is a very long shot though, it could be a complete bitza.

[The Yukon Sizzler]

I'd take a guess the whole front mudguard (sorry fender) is off a later shovel FLH. Bracket in front of points should carry the voltage regulator
which appears to be on top of the front crash bar.
I see it has the later external rocker oil feed rather than the earlier passage way up thru the barrels that used to boil the oil before it reached the top end.
Engine number on crankcase between barrells should give away year of manufacture of the motor . 63 FLH**** ???
Looks like the basis of a very nice project.
Was'nt this bike on E-bay a few weeks back ?

[Red]

Thanks for the feedback guys,much appreciated keep it coming.


if you can read it here's the engine no.(hope its kosha;) )
As you say it could be a bitsa me mate knows that, he's interseted to know more about it so I told him I'd ask some people who could help.

[the_french_owl]

Hi Again,

I think this bike left the factory with the hand shift: later hand shift option kit did not include the tank, hence all the bracketry hangs underneath the tank. This part of the bike is all kosher...

As it seems to have all the right rare bits, (very hard/expensive to find all of them...) I tend to think this is a 65 Electra with a 63 engine and your mate can easily get rid of the fender trim to bring it back to 65...

I would still like you to check the belly numbers, I also wonder if this engine might have been restamped cause there's no way one could have easily adapted a left hand 63' crankcase (used with tin stamped cover) to fit this 65' alloy primary cover

Patrick

[panster]

I watched this bike three times on ebay, started off as a '65 ,after a few questions by prospective buyers became a '65 with a '63 motor!..I still can't see if it's a drop section (Duo) frame, I don't think the oil tank would fit if it was, the oil tank (late) seems to be at a bit of an angle.
I bought some of the stuff he sold off from it, crash bars and fender rails,
What year did the front drum swap to the right hand side ??
Nice bike though, lots of potential, enjoy.

[kevscrivener]

Originally Posted by panster

What year did the front drum swap to the right hand side ??
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Again going by Bruce Palmer, up and including 1964 the brake was on the left. Two separate pics I have in other books show a 65 Electra-Glide with a right-mounted brake; this one being a "left" it would indicate to me that it is a bitza after all, but as Jamie quite rightly says, a very nice bike nonetheless.

In case any of you non-vintage types are looking in, and are wondering why we're making a bit of a fuss about this; genuine 1965 Electra-Glides are as rare as hens' teeth, and command a fairly hefty premium, provided they've got the right bits on them.