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    Re: 1950 Hydra Glide EL61 Restoration

    You need to know, I have a left and right problem..... When I looked at the pictures yesterday, something looked strange...., couldn't identify what. Would you accept, that this bike was originally for the british market with the fron brake on the other side? Or that It's just a very special 1950 mid-season prototype with an experimental front brake?

    You made made day and shame on me.....

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    Re: 1950 Hydra Glide EL61 Restoration

    I have wondered sometimes if anyone has ever made a dual brake hub using left and right drums...though as I think about it I suspect it would be a great waste of effort? (I often think about useless things while I work....another is whether that drum could be made hydraulic with a hidden cable actuated cylinder inside the headstock cowling? like BMW did years ago)
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    Re: 1950 Hydra Glide EL61 Restoration

    I was thinking the same, Paul. Dual front drum brakes would be a kind of cool... But too much work and not original..
    I corrected my mistake from yesterday and also installed the front fender. It's correct for 1950 with riveted and flat brackets, but might need some paint.... The fork cover is wrong, the original one with the 3 horizontal stripes and the Hydra Glide logo on top, is under repair.



    This is a basket bike and one of the reasons I decided to assemble it first, is the fact, I'm new to Panheads, therefore I need to learn a lot and didn't wanted to do this with all restored parts. So my request, if you see anything wrong, please let me know. I really appriciate your comments and hints!!

    The linkert M61 is already being rebuilt by my carb specialist, I think, he's having a great time.... Even the carb was in pieces...



    There will be more!

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    Re: 1950 Hydra Glide EL61 Restoration

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul P. View Post
    I have wondered sometimes if anyone has ever made a dual brake hub using left and right drums...though as I think about it I suspect it would be a great waste of effort? (I often think about useless things while I work....another is whether that drum could be made hydraulic with a hidden cable actuated cylinder inside the headstock cowling? like BMW did years ago)
    Check out pics of the 70th anniversary of the Panhead Rally in the Quin a couple of issues ago...close up pics of dual drum setup.....
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    Re: 1950 Hydra Glide EL61 Restoration

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul P. View Post
    I have wondered sometimes if anyone has ever made a dual brake hub using left and right drums...though as I think about it I suspect it would be a great waste of effort? (I often think about useless things while I work....another is whether that drum could be made hydraulic with a hidden cable actuated cylinder inside the headstock cowling? like BMW did years ago)
    Careful you!
    That's awful, awful close to nickin my secret idea to hide a BMW cable-actuated R. disk mst. cyl. up in the cowling of one o'them Spoorster tin cowls that just happens to fit every FX (narrow) front-end 'tween 73-84. The tin cowls I mean, not the other, ugly ones they put on some '60's models.
    And throw people off when they see no mst. cyl. for them front discs. And tidy up the right handlebar no end. I would try doin it on a bike I entered in a show on account I never seen it done before; hiding a front mst. cyl. like that.

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    Re: 1950 Hydra Glide EL61 Restoration

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul P. View Post
    I have wondered sometimes if anyone has ever made a dual brake hub using left and right drums...though as I think about it I suspect it would be a great waste of effort? (I often think about useless things while I work....another is whether that drum could be made hydraulic with a hidden cable actuated cylinder inside the headstock cowling? like BMW did years ago)
    I considered converting my 72 Ironhead to hydraulic front drum; seem an Ariel single done that way some years ago, using a Mini slave cylinder if I remember correctly.

    I have that hidden master cylinder setup on my 1977 BMW R100RS; it actually sits under the tank and is quite a bulky item. It's also far inferior to the later bar-mounted setup unless you sleeve the bore down and use Goodridge hoses.

    I have however seen one Harley with a similar set-up, years ago at Fred Warr's camping weekend. The bike was an Evo-engined rigid-framed special with a sack-load of clever engineering; it had footboards which were pivoted, the left one being the foot clutch (with a tank-mounted police type gear shifter) and the right operated the rear brake, a Honda 750 drum. internal throttle of course, and the front disc brake was operated by a cable on the bars linked to a remote master hidden under the tank.

    The end result was a brilliant modern-engined tribute to old 40's Flatties, and was one of the neatest "old-school" bikes I've ever seen, went like stink too; often wonder what happened to it.
    Much less involved.....

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    Re: 1950 Hydra Glide EL61 Restoration

    I can honestly say that I'm really looking forward to this one!

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    Re: 1950 Hydra Glide EL61 Restoration

    Thanks Boris! found it, Feb 2019 page 19 - really obvious now I look properly!
    I first wondered about a hydraulic line to that brake when I saw the neat set-up Vince had on one of his bikes using this extra thin black tubing and mini-master cylinder - even wondered if it could be made twin leading shoe.

    (Skip, I don't care who thought of what first....just as long as you back off on my plan to abduct Salma Hayek.)

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    Re: 1950 Hydra Glide EL61 Restoration

    I did only a few things yesterday, but i was still a lot of work. I've installed the bushings for the crossover shaft, after spending more than an hour in removing paint... The paint job done on the frame 20 years ago is just junk. The paint is far too thick and whenever you touch something, the paint chips off. Ok, I don't care, since this will be done correctly anyway, but it takes time to remove the paint from all the threads and holes for the bushings. The shaft for the crossover shaft is not in yet, since I don't have the correct reamer for the size of the bushings. Installing the bushing itself was simple after the paint was removed. One hour in the freezer and a custom build installation tool made it really easy.



    The bushing for the seat post was also no problem, same procedure to install it, but for that size I had the right reamer.



    Rear fender is also in, but here I have question... Are the fender clamps mounted directly to the fender or does anything needs to be installed in between? The clamps are correct, but there is still a gap between it and the fender. It might be due to a missaligment of the fnder, but I did'nt check that in detail yesterday.



    It's really exiting to work on such an old bike. Many thing are very similar or the same like on my shovels, but other things are totally different.



    More to come!

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    Re: 1950 Hydra Glide EL61 Restoration

    there no spacer on my EL ,, just checked for you

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